Comments on: What are F4J up to these days? http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2005/08/29/what-are-f4j-up-to-these-days/ Thoughts of Antonia, Labour activist and feminist in Oxford Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:26:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Antonia http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2005/08/29/what-are-f4j-up-to-these-days/#comment-735 Antonia Tue, 08 Nov 2005 10:13:35 +0000 http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2005/08/29/what-are-f4j-up-to-these-days/#comment-735 Mark, I sincerely hope that fathers and mothers can both remain part of a child's life after their relationship with one another ends. However, there is already one overriding presumption in court: that the welfare of the child is paramount. Having two overriding presumptions - that the welfare of the child is paramount and that both parents should have an equally-divided shared custody - is impossible, and would mean that the children's welfare was no longer paramount. As for my pithy comments being non neutral, well of course they are: I don't agree with F4J, their means or their ends. Neither do you, by your comments: <i>of course, there will be cases where the father shouldn’t see the child at all, or at least unsupervised, and this aspect would remain unchanged</i>; this is not a position F4J activists would agree with. Mark, I sincerely hope that fathers and mothers can both remain part of a child’s life after their relationship with one another ends. However, there is already one overriding presumption in court: that the welfare of the child is paramount. Having two overriding presumptions - that the welfare of the child is paramount and that both parents should have an equally-divided shared custody - is impossible, and would mean that the children’s welfare was no longer paramount.

As for my pithy comments being non neutral, well of course they are: I don’t agree with F4J, their means or their ends. Neither do you, by your comments: of course, there will be cases where the father shouldn’t see the child at all, or at least unsupervised, and this aspect would remain unchanged; this is not a position F4J activists would agree with.

]]> By: Mark Thompson http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2005/08/29/what-are-f4j-up-to-these-days/#comment-734 Mark Thompson Tue, 08 Nov 2005 10:05:58 +0000 http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2005/08/29/what-are-f4j-up-to-these-days/#comment-734 Your pithy comments regarding "every family is the same" is unnecessary and displays your lack of neutrality and knowledge on the issues -- we all know that this isn't the case. However, what F4J are looking for is a DEFAULT position / presumption that BOTH parents deserve EQUAL contact. Of course, there will be cases where the father shouldn't see the child at all, or at least unsupervised, and this aspect would remain unchanged. However, in contrast, in my case, my daughter WANTED to stay with me and the courts said she MUST go to live in another country with her mother (who had gotten engaged to a man from that country who she had known for only 10 WEEKS, and who my daughter HAD MET ONLY ONCE before) who had deliberately flouted the Parental Rights Agreement. This type of situation is not right, but sadly VERY COMMON. There's nothing wrong with seeking EQUAL rights. Your pithy comments regarding “every family is the same” is unnecessary and displays your lack of neutrality and knowledge on the issues — we all know that this isn’t the case. However, what F4J are looking for is a DEFAULT position / presumption that BOTH parents deserve EQUAL contact. Of course, there will be cases where the father shouldn’t see the child at all, or at least unsupervised, and this aspect would remain unchanged. However, in contrast, in my case, my daughter WANTED to stay with me and the courts said she MUST go to live in another country with her mother (who had gotten engaged to a man from that country who she had known for only 10 WEEKS, and who my daughter HAD MET ONLY ONCE before) who had deliberately flouted the Parental Rights Agreement. This type of situation is not right, but sadly VERY COMMON. There’s nothing wrong with seeking EQUAL rights.

]]> By: alan http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2005/08/29/what-are-f4j-up-to-these-days/#comment-442 alan Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:48:53 +0000 http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2005/08/29/what-are-f4j-up-to-these-days/#comment-442 Thanks for the tip Antonia. Thanks for the tip Antonia.

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