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	<description>Thoughts of Antonia, Labour activist and feminist in Oxford</description>
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		<title>By: Geogre  McAulay</title>
		<link>http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2006/05/17/the-truth-about-contact/#comment-226803</link>
		<dc:creator>Geogre  McAulay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Comment deleted by site owner for breaking site rules - use of "feminazi" in the first sentence, didn't bother to read the rest.  Geogre, you're welcome to repost without the offensiveness.]</description>
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		<title>By: richarddorset</title>
		<link>http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2006/05/17/the-truth-about-contact/#comment-141616</link>
		<dc:creator>richarddorset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 19:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grace wrote "Most of the fathers groups have one agenda only and thats how to get out of paying child support (billions are owed to the csa) by increasing contact days and the nonsense of shared parenting."

I pay child support - I am happy to - but the mother has removed all contact. The family courts will not enforce contact. I do not see my sons. 

Why is shared parenting nonsense by the way? And hwy is it that if a father has the children for 50% of the time, he still has to pay maintenance? There is no logic in this. 

By the way, did you see here that Michael Cox's sons are campaigning to get him released from jail too now?  (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/01/ncsa101.xml) 

I hope that one day my sons (Peter and Eduard) will understand the harm their so called mother (Rita) has done to them, by brainwashing them against me, just as she did her daughter (Emily) against her first husband (David). 

Now go sue...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grace wrote &#8220;Most of the fathers groups have one agenda only and thats how to get out of paying child support (billions are owed to the csa) by increasing contact days and the nonsense of shared parenting.&#8221;</p>
<p>I pay child support - I am happy to - but the mother has removed all contact. The family courts will not enforce contact. I do not see my sons. </p>
<p>Why is shared parenting nonsense by the way? And hwy is it that if a father has the children for 50% of the time, he still has to pay maintenance? There is no logic in this. </p>
<p>By the way, did you see here that Michael Cox&#8217;s sons are campaigning to get him released from jail too now?  (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/01/ncsa101.xml) </p>
<p>I hope that one day my sons (Peter and Eduard) will understand the harm their so called mother (Rita) has done to them, by brainwashing them against me, just as she did her daughter (Emily) against her first husband (David). </p>
<p>Now go sue&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
		<link>http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2006/05/17/the-truth-about-contact/#comment-107598</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 21:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find so strange is the number of men who after leaving their family and children suddenly appear to be so interested in their children, when married many would only see the kids either just before bedtime and few hours during the weekend. Most mums complain how they wish the Dad's would do more, be more involved with their upbringing. 

Most of the fathers groups have one agenda only and thats how to get out of paying child support (billions are owed to the csa) by increasing contact days and the nonsense of shared parenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find so strange is the number of men who after leaving their family and children suddenly appear to be so interested in their children, when married many would only see the kids either just before bedtime and few hours during the weekend. Most mums complain how they wish the Dad&#8217;s would do more, be more involved with their upbringing. </p>
<p>Most of the fathers groups have one agenda only and thats how to get out of paying child support (billions are owed to the csa) by increasing contact days and the nonsense of shared parenting.</p>
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		<title>By: C4</title>
		<link>http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2006/05/17/the-truth-about-contact/#comment-15735</link>
		<dc:creator>C4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't waste your time to trying to reason with these manhaters Richard. They are all beyond human help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t waste your time to trying to reason with these manhaters Richard. They are all beyond human help.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
		<link>http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2006/05/17/the-truth-about-contact/#comment-15729</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you've read my blog, I'm not sure why you need to make snide comments about my "partner" as it's quite clear he's my "husband", not that that's got anything to do with anything.

Look, I'm not going to swap insults. I've set out my stall very clearly above. If you take issue with any of my points, then in theory I'm happy to discuss them. In practice, if you just want to play personal jibes, or just rehash F4J propaganda without any reference to the points I've made, I don't have anything to offer you.

You've quoted me as supporting fair resolution of custody, so if I support it and you support it, what is your problem? What "real issues" are on your mind if it's not fair resolution, bearing in mind that that's what F4J purports to be after?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;ve read my blog, I&#8217;m not sure why you need to make snide comments about my &#8220;partner&#8221; as it&#8217;s quite clear he&#8217;s my &#8220;husband&#8221;, not that that&#8217;s got anything to do with anything.</p>
<p>Look, I&#8217;m not going to swap insults. I&#8217;ve set out my stall very clearly above. If you take issue with any of my points, then in theory I&#8217;m happy to discuss them. In practice, if you just want to play personal jibes, or just rehash F4J propaganda without any reference to the points I&#8217;ve made, I don&#8217;t have anything to offer you.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve quoted me as supporting fair resolution of custody, so if I support it and you support it, what is your problem? What &#8220;real issues&#8221; are on your mind if it&#8217;s not fair resolution, bearing in mind that that&#8217;s what F4J purports to be after?</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
		<link>http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2006/05/17/the-truth-about-contact/#comment-15697</link>
		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catherine

What a shame that you have overlooked the heart of the matter - that of the injustice of the family courts with regard to a father's contact with his children - and keep turning it into an issue about f4j. 

You are clearly incapable of a reasonable discussion of the real issues. Typical of new labour feminisation of politics. You are doing exactly all the same as your so called Labour cronies. Go and watch some football with 'partner' and buy some local devon produce you trendy young thing with no idea...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine</p>
<p>What a shame that you have overlooked the heart of the matter - that of the injustice of the family courts with regard to a father&#8217;s contact with his children - and keep turning it into an issue about f4j. </p>
<p>You are clearly incapable of a reasonable discussion of the real issues. Typical of new labour feminisation of politics. You are doing exactly all the same as your so called Labour cronies. Go and watch some football with &#8216;partner&#8217; and buy some local devon produce you trendy young thing with no idea&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
		<link>http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2006/05/17/the-truth-about-contact/#comment-15645</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know what you're talking about. I certainly didn't say that the system was fair, and I'm not sure how you've read that into the quote you've reprinted above. If I thought the system was fair, why would I feel the need to "support any organisation, membership or otherwise, that fought for fair resolution of custody..."?

Ditto how this makes me ill-informed, or a man-hater.

Go and pick a fight with someone else - you're more interested in being rude to strangers than finding solutions. Par for the course for F4J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about. I certainly didn&#8217;t say that the system was fair, and I&#8217;m not sure how you&#8217;ve read that into the quote you&#8217;ve reprinted above. If I thought the system was fair, why would I feel the need to &#8220;support any organisation, membership or otherwise, that fought for fair resolution of custody&#8230;&#8221;?</p>
<p>Ditto how this makes me ill-informed, or a man-hater.</p>
<p>Go and pick a fight with someone else - you&#8217;re more interested in being rude to strangers than finding solutions. Par for the course for F4J.</p>
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		<title>By: ceebs</title>
		<link>http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2006/05/17/the-truth-about-contact/#comment-15612</link>
		<dc:creator>ceebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at this article, it appears to be a prime example of the use of statistics without context, which is always dangerous. Firstly although everyone can agree that eleven children being killed by their fathers is wrong, the idea that this has occurred because of Court allowed contact is dubious at least. Sam has pointed out some of the problems with the statement, but another consideration is how many of these would have happened anyway, and the court access is entirely incidental.

The 18 cases of children forced to have contact with parents convicted of schedule 1 offences, there is no mention of wether these contacts are Supervised or not, Some (If not all) of these contacts will be in the presence of social workers and Psychologists to help the child through problems resulting from the separation.

of the 21 ordered to have contact with an abusive parent, they may not necessarily be abusive towards the child,it may be that they were abusive towards the other parent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at this article, it appears to be a prime example of the use of statistics without context, which is always dangerous. Firstly although everyone can agree that eleven children being killed by their fathers is wrong, the idea that this has occurred because of Court allowed contact is dubious at least. Sam has pointed out some of the problems with the statement, but another consideration is how many of these would have happened anyway, and the court access is entirely incidental.</p>
<p>The 18 cases of children forced to have contact with parents convicted of schedule 1 offences, there is no mention of wether these contacts are Supervised or not, Some (If not all) of these contacts will be in the presence of social workers and Psychologists to help the child through problems resulting from the separation.</p>
<p>of the 21 ordered to have contact with an abusive parent, they may not necessarily be abusive towards the child,it may be that they were abusive towards the other parent.</p>
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		<title>By: rd</title>
		<link>http://www.antoniabance.org.uk/2006/05/17/the-truth-about-contact/#comment-15594</link>
		<dc:creator>rd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catherine wrote 'I would immediately support any organisation, membership or otherwise, that fought for fair resolution of custody respecting both parents’ needs to contribute to their children’s development, but putting the child’s safety and quality of life first at all times. '

The point is that the who system of family justice does not do this! 'Families need Fathers' has been campaigning for thirty years, with no results. That is why the stakes were raised with F4J. 

I kept returning to the family courtrs for four years, with very little contact to show for it. My ex-wife undermined my relationship with my children, and the children. 

I really wish you could see that there fathers like me have been excluded from their children's lives for NO reason at all. 

Unfortunately trendy CAFCASS workers are of the same ilk as social workers, who would rather a child stayed with an abusive mother who supplies the child drugs, because the mother-child bond is sacrosanct.  

No doubt fathers right protestors come across as woman haters. Quite honestly, ill-informed people like you who are supposed to know better come across as man haters. 

I won't be seeing my sons until they are adults - for no reason! I have lost their childhood, and they have lost a father. How unjust is that?!! If I rant, then I think I have good reason to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine wrote &#8216;I would immediately support any organisation, membership or otherwise, that fought for fair resolution of custody respecting both parents’ needs to contribute to their children’s development, but putting the child’s safety and quality of life first at all times. &#8216;</p>
<p>The point is that the who system of family justice does not do this! &#8216;Families need Fathers&#8217; has been campaigning for thirty years, with no results. That is why the stakes were raised with F4J. </p>
<p>I kept returning to the family courtrs for four years, with very little contact to show for it. My ex-wife undermined my relationship with my children, and the children. </p>
<p>I really wish you could see that there fathers like me have been excluded from their children&#8217;s lives for NO reason at all. </p>
<p>Unfortunately trendy CAFCASS workers are of the same ilk as social workers, who would rather a child stayed with an abusive mother who supplies the child drugs, because the mother-child bond is sacrosanct.  </p>
<p>No doubt fathers right protestors come across as woman haters. Quite honestly, ill-informed people like you who are supposed to know better come across as man haters. </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t be seeing my sons until they are adults - for no reason! I have lost their childhood, and they have lost a father. How unjust is that?!! If I rant, then I think I have good reason to.</p>
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		<title>By: Herman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm at a loss to the point, and the headline, of this post. "The truth about contact"? Why is this "the truth"? Another truth is that women seuxally abuse their children. The numbers are very small I would imagine, but it goes on. This is also "the truth".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m at a loss to the point, and the headline, of this post. &#8220;The truth about contact&#8221;? Why is this &#8220;the truth&#8221;? Another truth is that women seuxally abuse their children. The numbers are very small I would imagine, but it goes on. This is also &#8220;the truth&#8221;.</p>
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