Dads’ Army: ITV’s investigation into Fathers4Justice

6 November 2005 at 10:25 pm

Further to my previous post, the ITV website says that the expose of the campaigning group will be shown in two parts on Monday and Friday of this week, both at 8pm on ITV1.

The shocking results of a year-long undercover investigation into the controversial Fathers4Justice organisation are broadcast in this special two-part programme.

Mark Jordan examines the group’s high-profile publicity tactics but reveals a hidden world of threats, harassment and violence.

F4J exposed by ITV?

28 October 2005 at 3:54 pm

From Third Sector:

Fathers 4 Justice has expressed concern that a 15 month ITV investigation into the organisation may misrepresent its activities.
Matt O’Connor, founder of Fathers 4 Justice, said that ITV had conducted an undercover investigation using ex-security staff who were paid to infiltrate the organisation.
The men claimed to have gathered filmed evidence of alleged members of Fathers 4 Justice engaged in acts of violence and intimidation, according to O’Connor.

That’ll be a good (though disturbing) night’s viewing, then. F4J activists and supporters engaging in “acts of violence and intimidation”, though. Who’d a thought it?

PS: posting this made me finally get off my backside and do something which I have been meaning to for weeks - give the fathers 4 justice posts their own category, which I have now done. Given that these posts account for 178 of my comments and a vast number of search hits, it seemed like the least I could do was make them easier to find.

What are F4J up to these days?

29 August 2005 at 1:34 pm

Sending pyjamas to Beverley Hughes, apparently.

UPDATE: I understand that they’re not just sending pyjamas but actually wearing them as part of an overnight protest to highlight F4J’s campaign for overnight stay contact to be the minimum recommended custody given by the courts when families split. (Because of course, every family is the same and contact arrangements should be decided cookie-cutter style, obviously). There will also be a “Bedlam Protest” the following day, October 21.

It’s all the fault of Fathers4Justice!

7 August 2005 at 8:08 pm

Seriously. They’re a front group, destabilising society as a precursor to a coup in the UK. And there was me thinking that it was just their obvious views that made them odious. (Thanks Tom).

F4J - comment from an ex-partner

15 June 2005 at 6:10 pm

I thought this comment on the F4J post below should get a greater readership:

I have had personal experience of threatening and intimidating from F4J members, my ex is one of their ‘leaders’.
Perhaps I should not have been surprised, as it was a continuation of the treatment i and my children suffered while still with him, but i did not expect others to join him in his abuse of me.
I have fought for five years to protect my children from him, so that they are no longer withdrawn insular frightened kids. During that time I have had to endure around 30 court appearances costing around £40,000 (begged and borrowed from family and friends) - even my solicitor suffered from him and has allowed me to pay my bills monthly!
In spite of him unleashing his insidious brand of nastiness (in diluted form to that which we suffered) on most of the ‘professionals’ involved in the case - they had to follow ‘protocol’ which meant most of his activities were watered down.
Earlier this year, we was caught out lying under oath and continuing to twist maniuplate control - needless to say, he is no longer able to use the courts in his attempts to further abuse the children. My misery, I fear, will continue for the rest of my life.
I am aware that a number of F4J’s other ‘leaders’ are aware of what he has done, yet he is still there with them. Says a lot, doesn’t it?
Whenever I see anything to do with F4J, i experience panic, because i know he is something to do with it, even in the background. He has bought F4J people to court hearings - they have scared and frightened me and my supporters - they glare nastily, move around me, getting so close they could almost touch, they refuse to move away. People might say i am weak - i would answer - speak to survivors and ask them what is worse - thy physical violence… or the emotional violence?
No i don’t hate them - i hate what they do. No i don’t hate him - i dont have enough time - i spend it all being scared.
to all in F4J: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - leave me and my kids alone - in peace

F4J Mark 2

14 June 2005 at 12:02 am

Okay, so there’s been a mini-explosion of comments below at the first F4J post, so I thought I’d reprise why I detest them and their fathers’ rights crusade.

But first, from one professional campaigner to another, kudos to F4J for a magnificent media campaign and an imaginative conceit - fathers as superheroes. Shame about the cause.

I’m glad F4J has imploded because:

1. Their campaigns are based on a bogus claim to be standing up for their “rights”. Rights campaigns are powerful, and, to use a word of the moment, they resonate with a large section of the population who are prepared to support the campaigns of underprivileged groups claiming what is rightfully theirs. As such, framing their cause as one of “rights” is savvy. But, in the end, it’s not about the “rights” of the father or even of the parents, but about the welfare of the child. In most cases the mother has been the primary caregiver of the children, and courts believe she should continue in that capacity, which is why mothers most often get sole custody. It is not due to bias against fathers in court. (On a side point, bias toward women by any court is hard for me to believe, knowing the figures of women who are raped, the tiny number that go on to report that rape, how they are subsequently treated throughout the criminal justice system and the pitful level of convictions for rape). Most mothers want their children to have contact with the children’s fathers, and would only try to stop contact with them if they are worrie about the children’s welfare. But, as the Newham Domestic Violence Project says, “when mothers try to protect their children from abusive fathers, they are often viewed by the courts and welfare professionals not as protective, but as obstructive, manipulative and irrationally ‘implacably hostile’.” (source)

2. If there’s a rights based argument here, it’s the right of women to live a life free from violence and controlling behaviour and the fear of violence and controlling behaviour, and the right of children not to be subject to or witness violence and controlling behaviour. F4J and their advocates and offshoots belittle and question the impact of domestic violence on women and children - just see the comments below.

Just for the record (all stats available here):

  • The 2001/02 British Crime Survey (BCS) found that there were an estimated 635,000 incidents of domestic violence in England and Wales. 81% of the victims were women. Domestic violence incidents also made up nearly 22% of all violent incidents reported by participants in the BCS. (Home Office, July 2002).
  • In “Routes to Safety” 76% of separated women suffered post-separation violence. Of these women:
    o 76% were subjected to continued verbal and emotional abuse
    o 41% were subjected to serious threats towards themselves or their children
    o 23% were subjected to physical violence
    o 6% were subjected to sexual violence
    o 36% stated that this violence was ongoing
    In addition to this, more than half of those with post-separation child contact arrangements with an abusive ex-partner continued to have serious, ongoing problems with this contact (Humphreys & Thiara, 2002).
  • In 1999 a survey of 130 abused parents found that 76% of the 148 children ordered by the courts to have contact with their estranged parent were said to have been abused in the following ways during visits: 10% were sexually abused; 15% were physically assaulted; 26% were abducted or involved in an abduction attempt: 36% were neglected during contact, and 62% suffered emotional harm. Most of these children were under the age of 5 (Radford, Sayer & AMICA, 1999.)
  • In their response to the consultation paper on “Contact between Children and Violent Parents”, the Association of Chief Officers of Probation stated that information received from local Family Court Welfare Services suggests that domestic violence is present in almost 50% of cases, where a welfare report is ordered. (Association of Chief Officers of Probation, 1999).
  • In a survey of refuge services, Women’s Aid found that 48% of the service providers stated that adequate safety measures are not being taken to ensure the safety of the child and the resident parent before, during and after contact. In five cases involving children on the Child Protection Register or Schedule 1 offenders, unsupervised contact was granted (Saunders, 2001).

Oh, and if you believe the myth that men are just as likely to be victims of domestic violence as women:

  • A 2002 report on research conducted with male respondents to the Scottish Crime Survey 2000 found that men were less likely to have been repeat victims of domestic assault, less likely to be seriously injured and less likely to report feeling fearful in their own homes. The survey retraced men who were counted as victims in the Scottish Crime Survey and found that a majority of the men who said that they were victims of domestic violence, were also perpetrators of violence (13 of 22). A significant number of the men re-interviewed (13 out of 46) later said they had actually never experienced any form of domestic abuse. (Scottish Executive Central Research Unit, 2002).

3. The effect of F4J’s campaign has been to put pressure on the family courts to grant contact even where it may not be safe to do so, putting more vulnerable women and children at risk. See the comments from the chief executives of Women’s Aid and Refuge (who should know, as together they run the National Domestic Violence helpline which received 250,000 calls in 2003-04) ) and from the police here.

4. The “problem”, if there is one, is far smaller than groups like F4J would have us believe. In 2003, 67,000 contact orders were granted and contact was refused in only 601 cases, less than 1% (source). As The Guardian points out, “in 1998, only 3 per cent of fathers’ applications for contact orders were refused. By 2001 this had dropped to 1.3 per cent - that is 713, a figure which barely covers the number of men who murdered their wives and schedule one offenders (child abusers)”. You have to ask, if so few cases were resolved with no contact granted, just what the parents in the cases where contact had been refused had done to deserve being refused contact…

5. One size demonstrably doesn’t fit all, so advocacy of “shared parenting”, a euphemism for joint custody, presumes that the best interests of the child are inevitably best served by a presumption of a 50-50 split of their time between both parents. Surely there should be as many solutions to custody disagreements as there are families involved in them? Trish Wilson has more detail on this: “Joint custody has been shown to be detrimental to children who are exposed to conflict between their parents. Joint custody also asks a lot of children. Many of them cannot handle the shunting back and forth between homes very well. They also must keep track of which home they are to be in on a given day, which is stressful for them. They lose track of their friends, and their extracurricular activities suffer when parents pay too much attention to when the children are to be with them.”

6. I believe that the advances of feminism - no fault divorce, challenges to traditional gender roles, an end to acceptance of violence against women, ending the stigma of lone parenting and having children outside marriage - are good things. Do we really want to return to the days of women trapped in loveless or violent marriages, sent to homes for fallen women and stigmatised for bearing illegitimate children? The inference is that F4J and their fellow travellers do: “The legacy of the family breakdown and the fragmentation of parent/child relationships is all around us. Teenage crime, drug taking, truancy and general delinquency… The UK has the second highest rate of young offending in Western Europe. Is it coincidence that the explosion in young offending has happened under a government that is systematically denying thousands of children ‘contact’ with their fathers?

Yet we know that there is no link between single parent families and crime - “studies have shown repeatedly a consistent relationship between juvenile delinquency and large family size, marital disharmony, alcohol abuse in parents and overall social deprivation. A consistent relationship has also been shown with delayed reading age, below average scores on intelligence and achievement tests, conduct disorder of childhood and parental aggressive behaviour.” For a really extreme view of the problems that feminism has visited on fathers, see Justice for Fathers UK.

7. F4J’s tactics include bullying and intimidating CAFCASS (family court) staff.
See “Spate of hoax bombs hits family courts” and “Fathers ‘terrorise’ lawyers“: “A dossier compiled by the union representing family court staff shows its members have been sent fake letter bombs and hate mail, had rotting meat put through an office letter box and been subjected to verbal abuse. In one of the worst incidents — for which nobody has claimed responsibility — a solicitor found her car engine and headlights doused in petrol, which could have exploded when she started the engine.”

8. The activists of F4J are hypocrites, as they clearly do not themselves embody the “wronged fathers” they claim to represent. See here: “While prominent members of the group defend these tactics, the truth behind many of the cases they publicise is more complex than their slogans suggest. Former wives and girlfriends who spoke to the Guardian described relationship break ups involving domestic violence, being forced to live in refuges and incidents in which their children witnessed frightening aggression by their fathers.

And here: “Williams, a 36-year-old nurse, knows from experience the picture painted by militant men’s groups can sometimes be far from the truth. Her ex-husband is a member of one - and in her view, he forfeited his ‘right’ of access when he drove the family out of the house to a women’s refuge. (The police had warned her that, if she didn’t leave soon, she’d leave in a box.)”

So, that’s my case. If you’re interested, a couple of other bloggers have been posting on this subject too. Trish Wilson is the authority on the subject - see her blog here, Volsunga has a great blog here and last November Dead Men Left blogged here .

Oh, and just to get a few things clear. I was brought up by a father (and a mother) that I love very much, I value the men in my family and my life, and calling me a feminazi isn’t likely to win me over to your case (ditto homophobia).

F4J

10 June 2005 at 10:37 am

In light of the article in yesterday’s Guardian, I thought readers of the blog might appreciate this, taken from one of the “fathers’ rights” email lists.

FATHERS 4 JUSTICE: PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE

THE PAST

For the last 6 months F4J Head Office has not been running a campaign.

Instead we have been engaged in a senseless running battle with errant co-ordinators and members who have increasingly displayed flagrant disregard for the rules, regulations and agreements they signed up to and the authority of the organisation.

Theft and deception at branch level has become endemic, violence has been visited by member on member, anarchy and mob rule has replaced order, self destruction has replaced construction, disrespect has replaced respect for our aims, objectives, methods and strategy.

We have been consumed by a culture of poison and malice where gossip and half truths are peddled as fact and where infiltrators and agitators operate with impunity and without challenge.

Worse there are those who promote the patronising deceit that they only seek to relieve our burden and help F4J whilst at the same time ripping up the agreements they signed and were bound by and then conspiring to work against us by failing to attend meetings they agreed to attend, issuing demands, failing to supply information when asked and betraying confidences and loyalties.

The inevitable conclusion of this unedifying, embarrassing and increasingly dysfunctional spectacle must thrill and delight the enemies we sought to defeat. The disaffected instead of maintaining some kind of dignity in retreat email hundreds of members causing loss of faith and confidence and leave open festering wounds in the entire fathers movement where the tabloids and authorities, who also seek to bring us down, can feed.

One can only conclude that the motivation of such individuals is not to bring down family law, but the only vehicle that could have made the difference. Hell bent on revenge, a minority have demonstrated ably why the fathers movement has not changed in 30 years and why it will be plunged headlong into another 30 years in the wilderness if they are allowed to succeed.

This is not what we started, what we want, or what we want to be part of. It is a travesty and perversion of our original vision. It is a tragic day for our children when those entrusted with fighting injustice have made fighting each other a twisted obsession that would threaten the entire fathers movement if allowed to go unchallenged.

For many fathers they have already become casualties, the tragic truth being that they were defeated not by the government or law they sought to change but by the very people they sought to help.

THE PRESENT

As from today (Monday 6th) Fathers 4 Justice Ltd will suspend all existing UK operations and plans. The infrastructure is to be dismantled and restructured and all co-ordinator agreements (which are still valid and haven’t expired) will be revoked.

All memberships and membership services will remain and Fathers 4 Justice Ltd will continue as a members group and a not for profit limited company which owns all UK trademarks.

The demonstration on 17th June has been cancelled on the advice of Police for Public Order reasons. We cannot afford, nor are we prepared to risk, damaging our reputation through the behaviour of a minority of individuals and will always put the protection of F4J and it’s members first.

THE FUTURE

Fathers 4 Justice will re launch in a new format later in the year when the climate and attitudes are compatible with our original strategy and when a new, invigorated, dynamic and radical agenda can be pursued in the mould we intended, not one that others sought to impose.

A new team will be hand picked and assembled during the summer months. Induction courses will be introduced and a team of activists recruited for a radical, innovative new campaign. The new team will be sent on a 2 day training course in the South West later this summer.

Those that would like to be considered for a position on this team should email office@fathers-4-justice.org with their full CV and be available to attend F4J HO during the summer for a 1 day induction course and the 2 day training course. Travel expenses will be covered. All applications must be received by Friday 17th June 2005.

F4J will also launch a flurry of new initiatives alongside the campaign launch this Autumn. Our work with Sir Bob Geldof will continue and negotiations with Cafcass will conclude within the next few weeks either way subject to their public statement of intent. If the outcome is positive we will present to the board mid July and leaflets will be displayed by every Cafcass office in the country.

Our aim is to not only raise our game, but to march forward with a renewed sense of determination and ambition, clear in our objectives and strategy and the guts necessary to see this thing through to it’s conclusion.

To the friends and colleagues that have sacrificed so much in the last two and a half years, we salute them for their courage and indefatigability and we hope that they will continue to join us on our battle to fight family law injustice.

Matt O’Connor
Founder, Fathers 4 Justice

Thanks to Truth about Rape for the link.

To choose just one quote that I love from this:
The inevitable conclusion of this unedifying, embarrassing and increasingly
dysfunctional spectacle must thrill and delight the enemies we sought to
defeat.

Yep, I’m thrilled and delighted - thrilled and delighted that you won’t be harrassing mothers, telling lies about lone parent familes and harrassing domestic violence support groups for splitting up families.

(On a side point, Volsunga pointed me towards a great debunking of all the myths about fatherlessness that I’ve just been waiting for an excuse to link to - it’s American, but no less powerful for that.)